There are certainly a lot of people, especially Jews who come back to Germany, that do have such feelings. Die Philosophin ist Jüdin, geboren 1955 in Atlanta, Georgia, einem der Südstaaten der USA. To a large degree, the American news media has normalized Donald Trump and his fascist authoritarian assault on the country’s democracy and civil society by refusing to speak plainly and clearly about who Trump really is and the dangerous values he and his movement represent. SALON ® is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office as a trademark of Salon.com, LLC. But it is also important that those historic sites exist. They are describing death camps. Donald Trump meets every single criterion for using the word evil — and he keeps meeting it every day. He is evil. He was wrong not only because they lost World War II, but also because after the war fascism was rejected by West Germany. Susan Neiman, amerikanische Philosophin und Direktorin am Einstein Forum in Potsdam, ist heute zu Gast im „lesenswert“ Quartett mit den Literaturkritiker*innen Denis Scheck, Insa Wilke und Ijoma Mangold. Because in most places outside the United States, Donald Trump personifies the caricature of the ugly American. There is much resistance at these places to telling any of this truth about the suffering of actual black Americans. Yes, African Americans probably grew up knowing these things. However, for Trumpism and this nightmare to end we must act. Die SÜDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG moderiert "ein Streitgespräch zwischen Susan Neiman und Michael Brenner über Kritik an Israel". But I do understand the caution and anxiety about using that language. There are people who get terribly upset and make claims and deflections such as, "They're not concentration camps, nobody's being gassed!" Einen solchen Vergleich stellt jedenfalls Susan Neiman in ihrem Buch „Von den Deutschen lernen“ an. At this moment in time in America and other parts of the world it is incredibly important for all of us to not to feel overwhelmed. Donald Trump has created a sense of enormous shame for Americans who live or travel abroad. During a recent “Ask me Anything” session on Reddit, Tony Schwartz, who was Donald Trump’s ghostwriter for “The Art of the Deal,” issued a similar warning: I believe deeply that most people are better than their worst behaviors…. As far as the person who finds their father’s or grandfather’s MAGA hat or other Trump regalia feeling ashamed, one thing we must consider is, has that person ever traveled outside the United States? His essays can also be found at Chaunceydevega.com. and then take selfies where they are smiling and having fun. John C. Kornblum, Susan Neiman u.a. But the shock I felt hearing half an hour of unfiltered meanderings from the president of the United States made me wonder whether the editing does our readers a disservice …. Evil is a word that should be used with caution. Er spricht über die schwierige Aufgabe Joe Bidens, die politischen Lager wieder miteinander zu versöhnen. Susan Neiman über ihr Menschenbild "Gemeinsamkeiten sind wichtiger als Unterschiede" Mit dem Buch "Von den Deutschen lernen" sorgte sie für Aufsehen. What we need to examine and publicly discuss in much more detail and much more often in America, is the beginning. Evil in Modern Thought: An Alternative History of Philosophy. 12:45 Shift 00:30 Global 3000 ... 13:00 Tagesschau in 100 Sekunden Corona-Ausbruch 13:03 Kick off! When we relinquish the use of language like “evil” we are leaving the strongest linguistic weapons that we have in the hands of the people who are least equipped to use them. The Nazis didn't kill us all. There is a phenomenon called “dark tourism,” which is an example of how evil attracts people. Mehrere renommierte Kultureinrichtungen haben vor der Gefahr gewarnt, im Kampf gegen Antisemitismus wichtige kritische Positionen von der öffentlichen Debatte auszuschließen. Für Kritik oder Anregungen füllen Sie bitte die nachfolgenden Felder aus. I also argue that Bush is evil and I explored this in my book “Moral Clarity.” Unfortunately, the description of “evil” has been so overused that many people just believe that it is a type of name-calling. But watching just one press conference from Otay Mesa helped me understand how the process of reporting about this president can mask and normalise his full and alarming incoherence. Als Susan Neiman 1955 in Atlanta (Georgia) zur Welt kam, gehörte die strikte Trennung von Schwarz und Weiß noch zum Alltag in den Südstaaten der USA. Daten können verwendet werden, um Benutzerfreundlichkeit, Systeme und Software aufzubauen oder zu verbessern. In 1945 and 1946, there was no clear way to know that outcome. No two historical events are ever identical. Erkenntnisse über Zielgruppen, die die Anzeigen und Inhalte betrachtet haben, können abgeleitet werden. He also hosts a weekly podcast, The Chauncey DeVega Show. ... Der Corona-Impfstoff hat Biontech berühmt gemacht und dem Unternehmen erstmals seit seiner Gründung 2008 einen Gewinn beschert. These Debatten ergeben würden, schien so gut wie sicher, doch plötzlich gab es nur ein Thema, ein völlig anderes: Corona und der Shutdown. Seite 2/2: "Man spricht von Afro-Pessimismus" Inhalt Auf einer Seite lesen Inhalt. ... „Die Corona-Leugner radikalisieren sich“ Neiman is the author of several books, including “Evil in Modern Thought: An Alternative History of Philosophy.” Her new book is “Learning From the Germans: Race and the Memory of Evil.”. The cruelty, the violence, the greed, the selfishness, the racism, the sexism, the nativism, the bigotry, the destruction, the lying, the assault on reality, the contempt for human dignity and civil rights, rejection of the rule of law and democracy, the summoning and mainstreaming of chaos and nihilism and a panoply of other social pathologies are more than the absence of good. Info-Box: Susan Neiman "Von den Deutschen lernen: Wie Gesellschaften mit dem Bösen in ihrer Geschichte umgehen" 576 Seiten, 28 Euro Hanser Berlin, 2020 … Im Interview erzählt sie, warum – und … Copyright © 2021 Salon.com, LLC. Of course those are Donald Trump’s concentration camps. Chauncey can be followed on Twitter and Facebook. With dark tourism, I would be very suspicious of a person who feels compelled to go to all those sites of suffering and misery. Ein Gastbeitrag von Susan Neiman und Sigmar Gabriel. Die Performance von Anzeigen und Inhalten kann gemessen werden. We must not surrender. The evidence is obvious and overwhelming. There's something creepy and unhealthy about too much of an obsession with sites of slavery and murder. Wir erheben personenbezogene Daten und übermitteln diese auch an Drittanbieter, die uns helfen, unser Webangebot zu verbessern und zu finanzieren. This is a basic moral position. It completely depends on what happens next. Susan Neiman, Direktorin des Einstein Forums in Potsdam, sah das wieder ganz anders: „Wenn jetzt nichts geschieht, werden wir in Zukunft Probleme bekommen“, erklärte sie mit Blick auf die aufgestachelten Trump-Anhänger und plädierte für eine Amtsenthebung nach Verfassungszusatz 25. By implication, Trump's policies and those who enact and support them are stained by his evil. Hier anmelden. I find it pretty disgusting. Erfahrungen, die Susan Neiman geprägt haben. China: Wuhan ein Jahr nach dem 11:45 World Stories Corona-Ausbruch 23:45 World Stories Reportagen der Woche Reportagen der Woche MO 11.01.21 DI 12.01.21 Many historians know these things. Anzeigen und Inhalte können basierend auf einem Profil personalisiert werden. Wegen der Corona-Krise noch einmal ohne Publikum. Susan Neiman, Corona-Krise, TV-Show, ZDF; Leserbrief schreiben. Let's assume that some decades from now a young person finds their parents’ or grandparents' Trump regalia hidden away in a box in the closet or basement. In der prachtvollen Kulisse des Palais Biron in Baden-Baden diskutiert die Runde vier aktuelle Bücher. Reproduction of material from any Salon pages without written permission is strictly prohibited. Susan Neiman wurde 1955 zur Zeit der Rassentrennung in Atlanta, Georgia, als Jüdin geboren. Obviously, these are not one-to-one comparisons between America now with Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. The American media has “massaged” the truth in Trump's favor by waiting almost three years into his presidency to finally describe him as a racist and a white supremacist. Concentration camps were simply places where masses of people, initially political prisoners, communists and social democrats — and as time went on also Jews, gay people and Sinti and Roma — and other targeted groups were interned under terrible conditions. ------------------------------------------, into his presidency to finally describe him as a racist and a white supremacist, summoning and mainstreaming of chaos and nihilism, Donald Trump’s ghostwriter for “The Art of the Deal,” issued a similar warning, reflect deeper problems about the use and abuse of history in America. How strongly do Donald Trump’s concentration camps for nonwhite migrants and refugees echo the evil deeds of the Nazis? Die dezidiert linke Philosophin Susan Neiman beschwört hingegen den Universalismus des Königsberger Philosophen und wendet ihn … https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2020-07/susan-neiman-black-lives-matter-coronavirus That's the end. It drives me slightly crazy when people say, "Remember the Holocaust!" Senior Nazi Party leader Hermann Göring said, "Fifty years from now, people will be making statues to celebrate us." Besuchen Sie zeit.de wie gewohnt mit Werbung und Tracking. Der Antisemitismusbeauftragte der Bundesregierung wirft dem Historiker Achille Mbembe vor, … American use of references to the Nazis exists in an inverse relation to American knowledge about them. Trump is the most purely evil human being I've ever met, and also the most insecure. Susan Neiman erklärt, was die USA spaltet – und wie man das Böse wieder aus dem System kriegt. Von den Deutschen lernen: Philosophin Susan Neiman zeigt, was wir von der deutschen Erinnerungskultur lernen können. Unfortunately, there are many parallels between Trumpism and the rise of the Nazis and Hitler. Philosopher Susan Neiman says Trump is evil — and she literally wrote the book Holocaust expert: Yes, those are concentration camps — and … Why are they so afraid of those terms? John C. Kornblum, Ex-Diplomat „Trump muss bestraft werden“, sagt der ehemalige US-Botschafter. And Göring was wrong because Nazi Germany lost the war. Nach dem Massaker von Charleston 2015, bei dem ein weißer Amerikaner neun Afroamerikaner ermordete, beschloss Susan Neiman, ein Buch zu schreiben. To do so takes away the fantasy and fun of “Gone With the Wind” and its white supremacist fantasy of the Old South. Die Leiterin des Potsdamer Einstein-Forums, die US-Amerikanerin Susan Neiman, hat Hoffnung, dass sich dieses Mal wirklich etwas ändert. I disagree. I think one is morally required to feel enough hope to allow action. Associated Press articles: Copyright © 2016 The Associated Press. There is a distinction between concentration camps and death camps. Cookies oder persönliche Identifikatoren, IP-Adressen sowie Ihres individuellen Nutzungsverhaltens erfolgt dabei zu den folgenden Zwecken: Für die Ihnen angezeigten Verarbeitungszwecke können Cookies, Geräte-Kennungen oder andere Informationen auf Ihrem Gerät gespeichert oder abgerufen werden. There is a similar willful distortion in terms of how America’s slave labor prison camps — places where black human property was worked to death, raped, tortured, and abused in all manner of ways for centuries — are literally whitewashed as beautiful “Southern Plantations” where white people now go on tours, have weddings and other celebrations. There is no mystery or doubt: On a near daily basis, Donald Trump continues to show the world that he is a racist, a white supremacist and an authoritarian. Chauncey DeVega is a politics staff writer for Salon. In an effort to answer these questions I recently spoke with Susan Neiman, a former philosophy professor at Yale and Tel Aviv universities and now director of the Einstein Forum in Potsdam, Germany. In contrast to Barack Obama and his family who are loved abroad and were and are a source of great pride for America, Trump is the opposite. Scott Peck called them "People of the Lie." 5 Min. Markus Lanz … In a recent essay for the Guardian, Australian journalist Lenore Taylor observed that after watching a full Trump press conference, she understood "how much the reporting of Trump necessarily edits and parses his words, to force it into sequential paragraphs or impose meaning where it is difficult to detect": In writing about this not-especially-important or unusual press conference I’ve run into what US reporters must encounter every day. Donald Trump and his regime can be reasonably described as evil. That is a fantastic example of what is wrong with America’s historical memory. Susan Neiman: Ist Optimismus im Corona-Jahr nur Selbstbetrug? The evidence that Trump possesses such beliefs was publicly known for many years before his 2016 presidential campaign. The demonizing of minorities, the demonizing of the Other, the telling a lie loud enough and often enough and people will stop caring whether or not it's true. In most circumstances, presenting information in as intelligible a form as possible is what we are trained for. Der gewaltsame Tod von George Floyd hat Proteste gegen Rassismus und Polizeigewalt ausgeslöst - weit über die USA hinaus. John C. Kornblum, Susan Neiman u.a. Americans’ knowledge of what really went on during the Third Reich is ridiculous. Bereits PUR-Abonnent? Für ihre erste digitale Ausgabe bringt die Debattenserie den Politologen Ivan Krastev und die Philosophin Susan Neiman ins Gespräch. Details zum Tracking finden Sie in der Datenschutzerklärung und im Privacy Center. Jüngst ist auch der Begründer der Menschenrechte, Immanuel Kant, zur Zielscheibe von modernen Bilderstürmen geworden. We need to look at the 1930s, that time before Hitler was elected. These are fascist tactics. They are evil. What exactly are we supposed to learn if we cannot compare it to other historical events? I believe that many people, particularly a certain type of liberal centrist, were put off by the way in which George W. Bush was described as being evil. Donald Trump is that thing which everyone was afraid that America really was and is. Ihre Mutter war Bürgerrechtlerin und wollte ihre weiße Tochter auch mit schwarzen Kindern spielen lassen, dafür wurden sie von Rassisten bedroht. Given the way that Trump’s supporters and the broader right-wing movement in America works, I am unsure if describing Trump as being evil would actually bring any clarity to the conversation. This American nightmare under Donald Trump is going to come to an end in November 2020. and "Learn the lessons of the Holocaust!" Die Proteste in den USA sind die größten seit der Bürgerrechtsbewegung von 1968. Trump is Incredibly stupid, incredibly arrogant and just mind-numbingly wrong about everything. Zu den Wurzeln des Rassismus gehören Kolonialismus und Sklaverei - das düsteres Erbe, das vor allem in den USA noch nicht wirklich bearbeitet wurde. I’ve edited skittering, half-finished sentences to present them in some kind of consequential order and repeated remarks that made little sense. Germany’s reckoning with its Nazi past offers a blueprint for America’s reckoning with slavery and racism, the philosopher Susan Neiman argues. Yes, there is this sense that we survived. and "Never again!" Inhalt 75 Jahre Kriegsende - Wie wir uns erinnern, prägt unsere Zukunft. Most white Americans really do not. How do Donald Trump and his movement reflect deeper problems about the use and abuse of history in America? Of course, the mainstream American news media will not use that language. This conversation has been edited for clarity and length. I also believe there are some who are simply irredeemable and evil. Philosopher Susan Neiman, one of the world's leading experts on evil, said this about Donald Trump in a conversation with Salon last year: Sie verbinden sich live von zu Hause auf die große Bühne des Gorki Theaters, um über soziale, politische und kulturelle Folgen von Corona zu diskutieren. That does not mean that accurate language for describing Trump and what he represents should be avoided. Thank God he was wrong. In terms of historical memory, how do you contextualize the way some Jewish young people go to the sites of death camps and concentration camps in Europe and then take selfies where they are smiling and having fun? Is there going to be a sense of shame and embarrassment? All rights reserved. Die Corona-Krise, die Rassenunruhen und der beginnende Wahlkampf wären ein passender Anlass, um die Wahrnehmung der USA und ihrer Führer zu hinterfragen. Yes, people were carried through Europe, packed into cattle cars and generally gassed on arrival. Zu Gast waren Elmar Theveßen, John Bolton, John Kornblum, Susan Neiman, Bodo Ramelow, Martin Machowecz, Alena Buyx und Dirk Brockmann. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Um der Nutzung mit Werbung zuzustimmen, muss JavaScript in Ihrem Browser aktiviert sein. How the evils of the Holocaust came to be, the process. Zustimmung jederzeit über den Link Privacy Einstellungen am Ende jeder Seite widerrufbar. Nutzen Sie zeit.de mit weniger Werbung und ohne Werbetracking für 1,20 €/Woche (für Digital-Abonnenten nur 0,40 €/Woche). Is this reluctance to use the word "evil" related to the fact that many observers on both the left and right still refuse to say that Donald Trump is putting nonwhite migrants and refugees in "concentration camps"? I’d understood the dilemma of normalising Trump’s ideas and policies — the racism, misogyny and demonisation of the free press. Sie werde wütend, wenn bestimmte Stimmen nicht zu hören seien, sagte die Direktorin des Einstein-Forums Potsdam, Susan Neiman über Antisemitismusvorwurf "Man muss die Politik Israels kritisieren". Es können mehr Daten hinzugefügt werden, um Anzeigen und Inhalte besser zu personalisieren. Cynicism and surrender creates inaction. Eine Verarbeitung der auf Ihrem Gerät gespeicherten Informationen wie z.B. They're not death camps. Die Bielefelder Autorin Susan Kreller erhält den mit 8.000 Euro dotierten Friedrich-Gerstäcker-Preis für Jugendliteratur der Stadt Braunschweig. 01:00 Der Tag 13:03 Kultur.21 Das Bundesliga-Magazin ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ Susan Neiman, Philosophin Die US-Amerikanerin ist … They lack any conscience, as Trump does, and so they're almost purely evil. Why is there such a deep reluctance on so many people's part —including the leaders of the Democratic Party — to label Donald Trump as evil? Susan Neiman: Als ich mit der Recherche für das Buch vor vier Jahren anfing, hat das viele Amerikaner provoziert, und das war von mir auch so … There is another word that can and should be used to describe Donald Trump.