When in actuality - she was Macedonian and Greek. Who were these Black families before Charlotte got involved? They never tried to explain why was Rosaline black etc., they just went with the casting and they easily avoid questions like this. Christmas … The more farfetched thing is the Prince. One chronicler writing two centuries after her death described her as a 'Moor' - which in context probably would have meant North African (in modern terms, Arab). So glad to see an Indian on screen that wasn't a cab driver or nerdy programmer. Bridgerton, whose massive wave of popularity is showing no signs of subsiding, is now Netflix’s biggest series ever by a wide margin.It pushed down to … Furthermore, any opportunity to show BIPOC in positions of authority or power is more important to me than whether or not the loose inspiration for a storyline is valid. I know people will say I'm taking this too seriously, but I can't not think about it... Just to say, they did cast a couple of Indian actors, I saw them on screen. Discussion of the show Bridgerton on Netflix. Discussion of the show Bridgerton on Netflix. It doesn't matter what colour people are. It's a bit like making an apocalypse film where the Earth suddenly does into a new ice Age and saying 'we were inspired by the scientific debate around climate change' instead of 'we wanted to make a dumb disaster movie' - the meta is itself a problem. It's actually really interesting anthropologically - peerless ruling dynasties tend to either opt for harems or for incest. Bridgerton Season 2 Cast Bridgerton Season 1 starred big names and all the actors played their part well. At the same time also introducing a significant number of, culturally indistinguishable, black nobility within a generation? Ok.. i can't wait for Black Panter to cast a white actor. So there is no evidence that Madragana was Black. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Not every wide eyed debutante gets a Duke. If they kept casting other POCs I would be fine with it. Bridgerton news update - two new characters have reportedly been cast in major roles for the second season of Netflix's hugely popular Regency-era drama. 'Bridgerton': How accurate is Netflix's Shondaland drama and the depiction of Black people in 19th-century London? Black … Because it's fiction. This is a FICTIONAL Queen Charlotte. Everything You Need to Know About Bridgerton Before You WatchBridgerton arrives on Netflix on Christmas Day and it's well worth a binge. Press J to jump to the feed. I do agree things like this do become problematic as people tend to believe fiction more than fact. Others are narrow minded but here you are calling out WHITE people getting upset? Again, the casting choice in the show doesn't bother me, I just would have preferred they not purposefully enflame a ridiculous theory. "Bridgerton" Season 2 has not been confirmed yet by Netflix, but the cast has already been hinting at what could happen in another season of the Shonda Rhimes period drama. Bridgerton has been praised as a racially diverse show set in the Regency era, because having Black people in a big budget production period show—or film—about England before the … I bet that's fine.. right. We challenged the cast of Bridgerton to play a jolly good game of ‘Guess the Regency Slang’ with us in this interview. Lazy is stuff like characters not wearing gloves at balls in Jane Austen adaptations (examples like Pride and Prejudice or Emma.). Also, were they from anywhere in particular? You’re taking this issue of “historical accuracy” way too seriously. “Was Mr. Wringer cast because he is Black?” Letts inquired rhetorically in his review. I don't really get why people who hate this kind of stuff do not simply ignore the show. Bridgerton isn't, so it's fine. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. If they build out the cast to offer friends, love interests, extended family members, good suitors and bad ones, and continue to only cast happy Black people on the periphery, they will not have succeeded. "Bridgerton"'s popularity has helped to set fire to the careers of some of its cast members including Regé-Jean Page, Phoebe Dynevor and Adjoa Andoh. It doesn’t pretend to be an accurate depiction of the past. Cmon. Netflix's latest show du jour has pulled in millions of viewers, but its cast has left fans unable to decide whether they love it or hate it. I think it's better to just say it's a fantasy world where everyone is equeal than giving a weak explenation, like the one we got in Bridgerton, that brings up more question than it answears. This is a fake series that’s being attacked by racists for its diverse cast and now the show runners have to “explain” their casting decisions. A great example is the Cleopatra ethnicity. There’s only about four POCs characters with speaking lines. Simon was perfect as Hastings. It's black washing history, this goes both ways, got my way? Ethnic diversity doesn't just arrive out of nowhere, there is always an interesting and varied migration history that underpins how and why different ethnic groups get to particular places, and then socio-economic forces that shape where different ethnicities end up within societies. Also, completely off-topic, but I have to wonder whether they will touch on how insanely incestuous Cleopatra's family tree was. Dukes aren't young and handsome and these ladies lived around animals....they saw breeding. She would never have been the social matriarch the show makes her out to be. The series features a mixed cast of white and Black actors in prominent roles. A few years ago Shondaland produced another historical romance mystery show called Still Star Crossed, it was a sequel to Romeo and Juliet based on a YA book, which imo handled the colour blind casting way better. They are implying that there is a legitimate debate when there isn't. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. It’s pretty lame. There’s only about four POCs characters with speaking lines. My problem is that the producers and actors are presenting this as historically plausible when it just isn't, and in the process furthering bizarre Afrocentrist historical crackpot theories that the entirety of European nobility until relatively recently was Black. Declare this as an Alt-History (alternative universe history) and be done wth it. It's forced diversity and a blatant lie. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/BridgertonNetflix, More posts from the BridgertonNetflix community. This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. If it was a more serious show that was taking pains for historical accuracy, it would be a bit jarring, but it's fine for this. I can't turn off that part of my brain that goes 'how did a Xhosa man end up in 14th century Japan?' You see the same with the Incan empire and, we now know through genetic evidence, Prehistoric Ireland. Newcomer Charithra Chandran is thought to have landed the role of Edwina in the hotly anticipated new series, which will be based on the second book in Julia Quinn's romance series The Viscount Who Loved Me . I love seeing a diverse cast, but ultimately Bridgerton isn’t as diverse as it thinks it is. There is no debate, and no credible historian would ever suggest Queen Charlotte had an amount of African ancestry anywhere near enough to be visible or to be considered 'Black' in modern terms. Netflix’s new period drama Bridgerton gives us a Queen Charlotte who is petulant, imperious, funny, bossy, gossipy, well-dressed, bewigged, fond of Pomeranians – oh, and she’s Black… We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. I have a bigger problem with the fact that she’s a character in the show. The historical reasoning to me is rather weak. Bridgerton is pretty deliberate about a lot of what it is doing. The Netflix period piece "Bridgerton" offers viewers a glimpse at what early 1800s England could have looked like if Black people were in power. It makes no sense that they would play an instrumental version of Thank U, Next either and if they did in a documentary it would be right to criticize. 12 votes, 26 comments. You just can't mess with Bridgerton's success. I'm glad this is moving in a better direction. I don't get it. ♂️♂️♂️. The historical reasoning to me is rather weak. Note: This Bridgerton article contains no book or series plot spoilers. We exist, get over it. It's historical revisionism and really really farfetched historical revisionism at that. what makes you think I'm white? Gal Gadot is being accused of whitewashing because we accepted theories that Cleo may have been black. Unless creators have a half-decent explanation for this, it just creates questions that are very hard to answer, which pulls me out of the story. I'm really hoping for a person of color for all the people opposite the Bridgerton siblings myself. I love the inclusivity and Jamaicans aren't the same as Nigerians who aren't the same as Somalis. Honestly if they fit the role, who cares? Renewed for Season 2! Historians dispute even this, saying she was probably a Mozarab (Iberian Christian). Hamilton is awesome because it’s unashamedly race-blind and expects the audience to go with that. Daphne is much less sympathetic as a fallen Diamond of the First Water once recognized by the queen than she was as “the girl next door” in the book. And it could do better. I counted one time and I think through one line she had 1 pair of great-great-grandparents, where normal people have 16. The expected cast of season 2 include: Jonathan Bailey Madragana, herself, probably wasn't of Sub-Saharan African descent. This story has important details about the "Bridgerton" books that may also spoil the Netflix series. The presence of black characters who are not slaves or servants bothers you? It’s an exaggerated fairytale that is loosely basing the setting on a historical time and place. unless I know that in-universe they aren't going to try to explain it. In 1813, the Prince Regent had more sway, and anyways, his mother could barely speak English. I found the addition of the queen to be unnecessary. Renewed for Season 2! Maybe we shouldnt expect reality from a romance novel. Many have dubbed Bridgerton the next hit show to "colorblind cast," but showrunner Chris Van Dusen doesn't agree with that terminology. It is (very) loosely based on our history but it is from a different universe where such characters could have existed. You don't need to explain everything. The first season of “Bridgerton” featured several Black characters in its ensemble cast, including Regé-Jean Page as the main character Simon Basset and Golda Rosheuvel as Queen Charlotte. Absolutely. They seem to support the diversity, and just don't like the producers feeling like they need to find some genuine historical explanation for a black Queen Charlotte. Each book in this eight book historical romance series features a member of the Bridgerton family. Can you imagine a movie about 1800's Africa and all the king's and queens there were Chinese? Bridgerton is an American streaming television period drama series created by Chris Van Dusen and produced by Shonda Rhimes. I mean, personally, I would have preferred colour-blind casting (maybe with the exception of families, to prevent people from getting confused), just in the sense of, 'we aren't going to try to explain this' - I wouldn't mind if they set out with a diverse cast in mind. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Really, I have wholeheartedly thrown myself into everything in the show because I view it as Alt-History. Of course correct me if I'm wrong, OP. More posts from the BridgertonNetflix community. I’m adoring it all without their ‘explanation’. Bridgerton tries to put a fresh perspective on historical romance, but it forgets to be interesting. I always liked that about her and it was one of the few traits that made her somewhat unique compared to other wallflower tropes. We can only watch and But not the inaccurate music, hair, or clothes? I don't think OP is saying that? Premiered Dec 25, 2020. I agree. This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. Okay Charlotte lifted them all up but now this society is somehow just... not racist at all? It is based on Julia Quinn's novels set in the competitive world of Regency era London's ton during the season, when debutantes are presented at court. "That would imply that … "Bridgerton" star Nicola Coughlan celebrated the show's huge debut and hit back at people who criticized its diverse cast. So the producer, and a few of the cast, have said on twitter and in interviews that there is debate around a 'theory' that, based on a single ancestor of Queen Charlotte from the 13th century, she was of mixed race (or when they really go for it 'Black)'. So yea, my mom was watching this show and I caught a few glimpses on it, and I noticed that there are a lot of black people … Just to throw this in as well. First, the purported 'Black' ancestor of Charlotte of Mechlenburg-Strelitz was called Madragana, born around 1230 and mistress to Alfonso III of Portugal. Romance, gossip and scandal. White people get so upset when you've had it your own way for hundreds of years. Why hate on it? Some may wonder whether 'Bridgerton' is accurate in its depiction of Black people in London, let alone Why would a Prussian Prince cross half a continent to find a match far below his station in Britain, when there would be dozens of more suitable matches closer to home? Other cast members include Golda Rosheuvel as Queen Charlotte and Adjoa Andoh as the Dowager Lady Danbury, with Jonathan Bailey, Luke Newton and … Bridgerton is more than just a show – it’s the whole world for its fans. Most people watching this show probably didn't even read the producers' explanation. yeah ik it's not a doc, but it just shows they put zero effort in making it even slightly historically accurate, A good comparison is A Knight's Tale--it's not aiming for documentary-style period-piece stuff, and honestly a lot of 'historical' TV and movies miss the mark with regards to accuracy in several respects, already. I need more explanation!! But in Bridgerton, Queen Charlotte is resplendent in silks and towering wigs, and she is unmistakably Black. Apparently it matters to u as well so this comment of yours is contradictive in nature so why don't you get over it. “Bridgerton” is not Rhimes’s first dalliance with a multiracial cast in a British period drama. I mean I understand PC culture is a big thing but that's just historically incorrect, I know this isn't a documentary but it does claim to be a historical piece, and that just pulls me out of the story.. it makes no sense, especially the queen lol. That being said, Rege-Jean and Adjoa are simply perfect in their roles. However this is now an heavily debated issues - when historically it’s not debatable. Because the Black British population in the early 19th century would have been small, in the low 1000s, and overwhelmingly male. With #Bridgerton @netflix continues their staunch tradition of casting a lightskin Black women in the main cast. I love this show, but I’m ignoring their in-show explanation for how it became an Alternative Universe because it just isn’t realistic. In this case, how could one queen possibly cause a bunch of 19th century Europeans not to be incredibly racist? Are they going to stop colonizing? Bridgerton has set an unprecedented tone that TV casting should be colourblind (to a certain extent), and will no doubt inspire future productions to adopt the same approach. Anytime someone prefaces something with “I don’t mean for this to sound racist but....” something problematic is going to follow. On the main point though, the showrunners could easily be saying 'we were inspired by a myth/debunked theory about Queen Charlotte' instead of 'there is historical debate around whether Queen Charlotte was Black'. Premiered Dec 25, 2020. Premiered Dec 25 Most actors from season 1 will be reprising their roles in season 2. Cast Indian actors and East Asian actors and Latinx actors. Does it even matter? I love seeing a diverse cast, but ultimately Bridgerton isn’t as diverse as it thinks it is. It is not a documentary or even focused on history. At that point, you are verging on 'we are all black because we evolved in Africa' territory. It is part of the show's identity..It is a fictional story after all. Bridgerton is pretty deliberate about a lot of what it is doing. But even if she was, if there are 500 years between Madragana and Charlotte, and you assume a generation every 25 years, that would make Charlotte 1,048,576th Black, or in other terms, 0.000095%. I wondered about these things too. In an AU, there’s no limit to a what’s possible and what’s not. I’m noting all the historical inaccuracies in passing and not crying over one of them, because this is all a splendid fairy-tale. The Ptolemy's make the Habsburgs, and even the Targarygens from Game of Thrones, look wholesome. The vast majority of white Americans almost certainly have significantly more Sub-Saharan ancestry than Charlotte did. Hello, so I realise as I'm writing this that lots of people are going to call the very fact this bothers me racist, but let me preface this - I have no issue with the show having diverse characters, or even making Queen Charlotte (or any specific historical character) Black. Lazy is stuff like characters not wearing gloves at balls in Jane Austen adaptations (examples like Pride and Prejudice or Emma.) I think this show should have done that too, instead of trying to fit an almost complete eradication of racism in Georgian-Regency England into a few lines of dialogue. Press J to jump to the feed. One of the wives was Indian and she had a couple lines. This show is based on the Bridgerton book series by Julia Quinn. I did not liked the Queen being black at first,but after watching the show It did not even mattered. Why are so many of the aristocratic characters in this show black? Imagine being told you’re a racist because you are pointing out historical fact? I think they can totally get a black or Asian or Hispanic Kate for next season! This whole genra of historical fictions is called Alternative Universe(AU). lol I never said anything you're implying, black people are just not part of the English aristocracy that's all. And it could do better. If it was a show like The Crown then I’d see the criticism but it’s not. Same with one of the men Daphne dances with and he has a line as well. So what if black actors play fictional aristocrats? Honestly, I'd be happier if they made Elizabeth I or Queen Victoria black, because at least then people would be clear it's a matter of artistic license. Nicola Coughlan, who portrays Penelope Featherington on “Bridgerton,” recently shut down critics who had something to say about the show’s diverse casting in a period piece. It can be an alternate history just stop explaining it. You'd be losing your mind if a show had a white MLK. They should've just dropped the whole "some historians say..." thing and just went with it without trying to find some historical foundation for it. Does he just really like tea and country gardens? And that’s just the behind-the-scenes! Exactly - popular culture moves the goal posts, so people end up believing things that they wouldn't have even considered otherwise. Discussion of the show Bridgerton on Netflix. Don't be such an idiot. They didn’t want to say it was a color-blind casting but the alternative explanation is weak in my opinion. Spoiler alert! I only know because I'm Indian and I was excited to see it because it never happens. Daphne’s main trait is that all the guys basically friendzone her because she’s fun and nice but not enticing to them as a romantic prospect.
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